523. How We Can All Connect with God

Mike Parsons

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Pursuit, Priority and Intimacy

Lives of the Mystics

Most people in history who have had a mystic, intimate relationship with God have been those who were able to dedicate the time to it. Julian of Norwich lived in a cell attached to a monastery, or whatever it was. She lived in a small place with no TV or things to distract her in the same way as we do today. She did not have modern conveniences to make things quicker either, but that was her life. She focused on that.

Looking through history, the mystics are those who have gone and lived in a cave or whatever, and they have this relationship with God because they have not lived what we would call normal everyday life. But I do think it is possible to have an everyday life and live that from the relationship that we prioritise with God. So that everyday life is so much better than it would be without it.


Priority and Discipline

You are never going to have an intimate relationship with God if you do not pursue it as a priority, even if it is a small measure of time. For me, I always wanted to give God the best of my time. That would be when I got up, because nothing had happened in the day. I had slept all night, and I was ready to engage with God for the new day: new mercies every day, fresh mercies. Some people find the end of the day better. For me, it never was. So I chose to give that time at the beginning.

There is a sense of discipline in saying, “I am going to make this happen,” but not because I have to, or because I fear not doing it. That would be the wrong motive. It was because I wanted to, because I desired that relationship and intimacy. So for me, I would get up early and spend time with God before the house got busy with all the children and everything happening.

When I was a child, I was never a morning person. If I got up at eight o’clock, it felt early. But as I became an adult, I trained myself to be a morning person. When I wake up, I wake up. I do not stay in bed for another hour. I get up, alert and ready. I would go downstairs, find a quiet, comfortable place, sit in a chair, and engage with God. At the beginning, that looked like reading the Bible, praying, doing the things I had been taught. But God used that time to transform it into an intimate time of relationship, communication, and conversation.

517. Experiencing Heart to Heart Intimacy with God

From Discipline to Encounter

I started where I started, but that discipline served me well. When I then encountered heaven and began to engage God from a heavenly perspective, it was like, “Wow, I want more of this.” At first, I tried to record everything I was experiencing, which doubled the time it took. Until I learned to journal as I was going, I would finish and then write it all down.

So in the beginning, I thought, “I am going to get up an hour earlier.” I was not going to cut the time short. I was not going to lose the time I was having with God. So I got up earlier. As I learned to journal during the experience, I did not need to double the time anymore, so I did not need to get up quite as early.

The time I had with God reached a natural limit. An hour, or an hour and a half, was about as much as I could contain in terms of the revelation, the conversation, and what was happening. Three or four hours would have been too much. Having a mystic relationship where you spend five hours with God—there is so much happening, especially if heaven operates on a different timescale. How do you absorb all that? For me, I was able to engage within an hour and a half to two hours, depending on the day.


Pursuit Is the Evidence of Desire

But I had to pursue it. I think that is the key. A friend of mine used to say, “Pursuit is the evidence of desire.” You can say you desire something, but if you do not do anything about it, you do not really desire it. You might wish for it.

A true desire is a motivating force. With the right motive of heart, that desire led me to pursue it, and I experienced it. And that experience changed me.

That pursuit created a dynamic where I could live in the consciousness of that relationship without needing to spend all that structured time. It became a constant dwelling, an indwelling, an abiding presence: me abiding in that spiritual reality, learning to dwell in a multi-dimensional sense. That came out of pursuit.

Now I spend less time in what would traditionally be called a quiet time, but I have a deeper, more intimate relationship with God, because it is a constant awareness and sensitivity to His presence. That has meant I am enjoying life in its fullness, in its abundance, in a way I was not before.

If you do not pursue something, you are not going to find it. Why you pursue it is the key. Do not do it out of duty, obligation, fear, or performance. Do it out of desire: “I desire intimacy with God. I desire a deeper relationship.”

That desire led to radical decisions.

332. Embracing Multi-Dimensional Living

Surrender and Transformation

“God, do whatever you need to do in my life to bring me to that point. Get rid of everything that needs to be got rid of. Change my thinking. Heal my heart. Do whatever you need to do. I present myself as a living sacrifice. You prepare me.” And He did.

Every day, I would say, “God, I do not want my will today. I do not want to do things because I want to do them. I do not want a free will. I want to outwork Your heart.” For years, I would say, “I do not want a free will today. I do not want independent choices. I want to be intimate with You.” That shaped what I did, but it took a long time.

It is not like the Matrix, where you plug something into the back of your neck and suddenly you can do kung fu. If you want to learn kung fu, you have to train. You have to practise. You need a teacher. You go through a process. It is the same with God.

My desire meant I gave myself to whatever the process would be to bring me into a place of intimacy and identity, knowing who I am. But that is not why I went into it. I did not pursue God to find out who I am. That was a consequence of discovering who God is. Because in the mirror of His face, I began to see a different person from who I thought I was.

I did not pursue Him thinking, “I want to find my identity” or “I want to fulfil my destiny,” because that would be motivated by me. I just wanted Him.


A Normal Life, Not an Exceptional One

I do not believe I am out of the ordinary. I am a normal person who likes normal everyday things. I like sports. I like movies. I like making things. I like the garden. I enjoy normal life. I am not a mystic living in a cave somewhere. I have a very normal everyday life.

If I can do this, coming from the background I came from (which did not believe in the gifts of the Spirit, and had no real intimacy with God, or even a concept of what that might be), then I believe it is possible for everybody.

I am not more special than anyone else. We are all special to God. We are all created in His image. We are all His children. He wants all of us to enter into the fullness of our relationship with Him as our Dad.


No Excuses, Only Possibility

I do not think anyone can say, “Well, I cannot do that.” I believe all of us can pursue it to the degree that is possible within the circumstances of our lives, or make changes to how we use our time to prioritise it. I understand that people have different circumstances, different seasons of life, and different pressures.

But when I first started to engage heaven, I said, “God, I want to do this every day. I do not want this to be a one-off. I do not want to be telling the same testimony twenty years later about one experience.” I asked Him, “How do I live this? How does this become my life?”

He said to me, “You do it the way everyone else would have to do it.”

Because as a church leader, some people might say, “Well, that is easy for you. You can do whatever you like. You can sit in your office and pray all day.” But God said, do it in the same time that they would have to do it, before they go to work, so no one could say it was easier for me.

I did not develop that personal, intimate relationship in my office. I did it at home, in my chair. I outworked it in the office, but I did not develop it there. That was wise, because it removed the excuse that it was easier for me.


When It Feels Difficult

Some people say it is dry, it is hard, it does not seem to work. It was like that for me at times. There were times when I was trying to hear God’s voice and I could not hear anything. I was trying to meditate and did not know what I was doing. But I did not give up.

There was something inside me that wanted more. I always felt there must be more than this. That desire kept me going.

392. Training Your Spirit | Practical Steps to Engage with God

 

Learning to Hear

It took years to learn how to hear God’s voice. There were months where I was not hearing anything, but I kept going. Eventually, I learned to tune in, to listen, and to recognise His voice.

I am quite tenacious, and I do not give up easily. Some people give up too quickly if it does not happen straight away. We live in an instant, push-button culture: people want immediate results but with God, it is not like that. You cannot have an instant relationship with God. It is not a takeaway meal. You have to make it from scratch.

Some people find that difficult, and I understand that. But ultimately, there is no excuse. I started from a place that was quite disadvantaged when it came to anything mystical. I had no expectation, no emotional experience, no sense of intimacy with God. I believed it was true, but I did not feel anything.


The Turning Point: Encounter

That changed when I was baptised in the Spirit. Suddenly I began to feel—love, acceptance, connection. I remember thinking, “How did I live all my Christian life up to this point without feeling this?” But I had come from a background where feelings were frowned upon. People would say, “Do not go by your feelings, brother. Go by the Word.” That was the culture.

There were a few people who were emotional. There was one man, Howard, who was in the same men’s choir as me. He would cry and become emotional when singing about God’s love and grace.

People would say, “That is just Howard.” But actually, he was experiencing something real: the rest of us were just singing the words.

In the Methodist church, I did not see much emotional expression. In the Brethren church, even less, so that was not normal for me. But God overcame all those obstacles and barriers. He brought me into an emotional relationship with Him that went deeper and deeper and deeper.

So I do believe it is possible for everybody.

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504. Lucid Dreams and Divine Visions

Mike Parsons

The difference between a lucid dream and a vision is really only that you are asleep rather than awake when you have it.

The difference between a lucid dream and a vision is really only that you are asleep rather than awake when you have it. They are basically the same thing, just in a different format, one being asleep and one being awake. If you are conscious of what is going on in the dream and you are engaging with the dream, there is no real difference to being conscious in a vision, having an encounter and engaging that vision.

Sometimes it is simply a way that God can engage with us when we are not in control of our conscious thinking, like when we are asleep. If it is a lucid dream and you are interacting with it, then is it a dream that God is giving you and you are in an encounter with God, and are the other people who come into the dream part of that encounter? Either they are visionary, in that God is showing you a person and interacting with you, or that person’s spirit is engaging in your dream.

Again, it all comes down to what God’s purpose is. Therefore you have to go back to God and ask him to show you what he was trying to communicate, what the significance was of a particular person, whether known or unknown, within your dream. Just like a lot of people have visionary experiences but do not know what they are about, they then have to go back to God and ask him.

If you are interacting with the dream and things are happening, those things can be actual things that are going on, or they could be symbolic of something that is going on. Again, you have to discern that. On many occasions where I was engaging things, visionary encounters and experiences, I was there engaging them and things were happening to me. If I was in conversation with God within that experience, then I could trust what he was saying. If God was not there and I was seeing things or doing things, then I would be more cautious in my interpretation of what was happening.

Usually I would then check out what happened with God to ensure that I was not putting my own spin on it. When I first encountered, for example, the high chancellors’ houses, and wisdom took me there and I engaged with the high chancellors and all of the houses, God was nowhere in that encounter. I believe God totally inspired that encounter and wisdom interacted with me in many different ways on God’s behalf. But I always went back and said, “Okay, I need deeper insight into this. What were you trying to show me?” I wanted to make sure that it was a pure experience, not something I was spinning through my own filters or trying to understand through my own experiences.

When God was with me, showing me something and speaking to me, I was more confident. I was sure this was God. Sometimes he told me things that were very clear. He has also told me things that were not very clear. I did not mistrust what he said, I just did not understand it at that point. That usually lodges in my heart and then works out in a future situation, where suddenly I understand what it was about. God will say something to stimulate my attention, where I think, I do not know what he is talking about, or I am not fully understanding this, and then I pursue the understanding of it.

When it comes to people, I have encountered people, or people have told me that they have encountered me in a vision or a heavenly experience. I did not remember those experiences because I was asleep at the time, usually at night, and my spirit engaged them. But when I focused on it, sometimes my spirit gave me information that affirmed that encounter. It was like my spirit said, yes, we did. Sometimes I would say, well, what did we talk about? When they described the conversation and what went on, it was very much in sync with what they said I had said. It was like, yes, that was exactly what I would have said if we had had that conversation.

There are different ways in which you experience and encounter things, and they are all good. Every time I go to sleep at night, I make my spirit available for whatever God might want me to do, outside of all the other things I am doing. It is simply saying, I am available for anything you might want me to engage with. That could include engaging other people. Often those people will gain something from the experience that they are seeking.

I cannot remember engaging a person in that type of visionary experience where I was seeking them, but I have engaged the cloud of witnesses for specific things where I felt there might be some insight. I have engaged people like Esther, David, Daniel, Jacob and Joshua at various times during my journey, and then gone back and re-engaged them at a future date to find out more. There is no real difference between a person who is alive and you engaging their spirit in a dream or a vision, and someone who is physically dead but you are still engaging their spirit and soul within a vision. Hebrews describes them as the firstborn enrolled in heaven. They are still active and we can still engage them.

One of the questions I would ask is whether I can have these experiences when I am awake and not sleeping, because then I can engage the experience more fully. I journal everything. I want a record of the things I have encountered. If you wake up having had that experience, it can be harder to journal exactly what happened in a dream or visionary setting. I have come back and written those things out, but mostly what I do is journal while I am having the experience, so that I am totally aware and completely lucid, writing down what is happening during that experience with God or any other encounter.

Occasionally I go back to an experience because I feel there may be some detail I missed. Often when I am listening and talking to God, I am not paying attention to what is going on around me unless he is pointing something out. Particularly in the early days, when all this was new, I would revisit experiences to make sure I had not missed something. As time went on, I became much more confident in my ability to discern, write down and engage.

So ask God whether you can have these experiences when you are not sleeping, and see what happens. If there is a particular person you are unsure about, ask the Father to show you what to do. Sometimes a person may appear in a dream and prompt you to pray for them, protect them, or respond in some way. Until you get into the flow of it and discover what was behind it, there can be many different specifics.

Sometimes a person may speak to you and tell you something, just as a prophet might come and prophesy. Sometimes a person can be speaking on God’s behalf. That is something I believe I have done on a number of occasions when engaging people in that realm.

Ultimately there is no right or wrong in this. It is all part of learning to discover and journey through encounters and experiences, becoming more discerning and more able to pick these things up. If we are open and we have a lucid dream experience, then it is because God wants to speak to us that way. It may be more difficult for him to speak to us while we are awake, perhaps because we are distracted. When you are asleep there is less conscious activity to interfere.

So ask him, and see if he has insight for you and a purpose for each encounter you are having. I do not see a difference between lucid dreams and visions or lucid visions. They are essentially the same sort of encounter, one when you are asleep and one when you are awake.

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