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Praying in Tongues: Learning to Live in Dual Realms
Praying in tongues is a very interesting thing. When I first learned to pray in tongues in the spirit, particularly when I was engaging heaven and engaging supernatural dimensions, it was very much something that was going to help me understand how to do two things at once. I didn’t quite understand why, but God then showed me later that this was going to help me understand how to live in two places at once, how to operate in the soul and the spirit at the same time, how to function connected soul and spirit. So I did a lot of practising: praying in tongues while I was speaking out loud, praying in tongues in my mind while I was reading the Bible, praying in tongues in my head, all sorts of different things. I’ve practised a lot with it.
And then, as I became more intimate with God, and got to know God, my senses were more trained to engage him, and I was having daily encounters and conversations with God all the time. I felt that the praying in tongues aspect of it was something I didn’t need to do any more for this purpose. I stopped, though not as a deliberate decision that I wasn’t going to pray in tongues any more. I might sing in the spirit at times, or do different things, but the purpose of it was no longer something I was practising with. I was able to live in this way, so it lessened in how I would pray in tongues in that particular way. There are various things that also lessened while I was doing that, in terms of the ministry style I was involved in. God really challenged me on helping people to engage God themselves, rather than prophesying over them or ministering to them in that way. So praying in tongues in that context became unnecessary.
But what I did find was that, as my spirit was engaging and dwelling in the realms of heaven all the time, it began to engage on its own, and I found myself praying in tongues, like when I woke up, or at a particular time, all of a sudden I would be praying in tongues. I didn’t choose to do that. It wasn’t something I thought, I’m going to pray in tongues now because this is a gift I have, I can use this gift. It didn’t happen that way. I just found myself praying in tongues. So then I would wonder, what’s going on? It felt like my spirit was communicating, “Hey, pay attention. There’s something here for you!” Maybe I’ve encountered something during the night, or whatever, now just tune into it. So I found that whenever I started praying in tongues like that, it was a signal: what’s going on, what do I need to look into, is there something I need to focus on here? I became sensitive to the fact that my spirit could be functioning and doing all sorts of things while I wasn’t consciously aware of it. And this gave me the sense that maybe I needed to engage, that my consciousness needed to be aware of this. So I would tune into it, look into it, and maybe go and engage where my spirit was. I sort of felt that was part of where I was then.
So I think there’s definitely a decreased need to pray in the spirit in tongues when you’re engaging in the spirit, because you’re dwelling there. You’re not talking to God in another language, because you’re engaging with God face to face. I believe, as we mature and increase in our experience of God in the spirit, and dwell with him and abide with him there, there’s definitely less need to pray in tongues the way we did before. It talks about edifying your spirit, building up your spirit, and I certainly used it for that. I used it to pray all the time, in my mind or out loud. But I found my spirit had this bubbling energy within, as it got activated, that I felt all the time; it felt like my spirit was engaged. That was the sort of residue of the fact that I could live in dual realms.
I was dwelling in dual realms, so my spirit was always active, and I just felt that connection. Even though I wasn’t always conscious of it, it certainly was something I felt was very real, a sign that my spirit was active and functioning as it was intended. We live in multiple realms in that way.
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God dwells within the eternal now, which would be outside of time and space, but not disconnected from it. I’ve found that there are ways God has drawn me into the eternal now to experience his presence in that pure essence, and I describe it as perichoresis: the circle of the dance, the conversation between Father, Son, and Spirit, where there is pure relationship, pure love, pure everything that God is that he has invited us into. We came from that place, out of his heart. He created us there within his heart, and we were not separated from his heart until he formed creation. And when he made creation, he then formed us to engage with creation, both in the spirit but also when we become living beings on earth, and therefore we can go back to the place which I call home.
You know, it’s sort of, for me, the place of pure intimacy, pure face-to-face engagement, but outside of time and space, and therefore disconnected from this realm in a way that means I’m not distracted or affected by this realm when I’m in that realm, and I can be in that realm in the purity of God. I find that it’s very difficult to engage it cognitively, in that I can’t figure it out or work it out, because it’s nonlinear and it’s not like this realm. But the relationship is there. Now, that realm relates to the created realm, and there also I can engage God in the realm of perfection in light, which is connected to this realm and that realm, and I find I engage God’s heart there for the outworking of his heart into this realm, the created realm where I can engage God face to face. In that realm, in the purity of light, but it’s connected with this realm in its governmental aspect.
I engage in the relational aspect within the purity of God in what I call the eternal now, and it is pure relational love. But I also engage God relationally in relation to his government in the realm of light and perfection. So I am face to face, heart to heart, mind to mind with him there. Jesus said he only did what he saw the Father doing. You know Jesus said, I am in the Father and the Father is in me. That is the place where I engage, where I only outwork what I feel the father’s heart is. I’m engaged relationally, but I’m also engaged governmentally.
When I engage outside of time and space within the eternal now, it is pure, intimate relationship. If God is infinite and eternal, then everything that he has created has been created within a space within him. So it isn’t separate from him, but it is in a space within him which is within him in a different way.
This is where, it’s like, God is everything in everything, and all that, we live and move and have our being in him, and he fills all in all, and there are lots of Bible verses that indicate his connection with creation. But for me, the pure essence of God, in what I call perichoresis, is what the early church fathers used for the description of the trinitarian relationship of Father, Son, and Spirit in pure love relationship, and we are invited to be in the midst of that. That’s where we were formed within the Father’s heart, and that’s where we can learn to dwell and engage. And because we are made in his image and likeness as sons, we have access there that the other angelic beings don’t.
There were various routes that I found, that God took me to that place, even though I didn’t understand it, and I couldn’t figure it out. So to start with I just had to park my intellect outside, if you like, and not try and figure it out. It was an experience, not knowledge; so it’s not knowledge as intellectual knowledge, it was experiential knowledge. I couldn’t describe it in a visual sense, because it was beyond a visual expression. I couldn’t describe it, as an image, but I can describe the intensity of the love relationship that I’m included in. And it’s the pure, absolute essence of who God is, relationally, that we all are invited to participate within, in the purity of it.
And that, I think, is why we can’t try and figure it out or understand it — you just have to experience it — and it is life-changing, because what you find within that is who you are. God reveals… I mean, that really is the sort of mirror that we look into, in its purest essence, to discover who we are, free from any connection to what’s happened to us in this realm.
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Renewal of my mind
When I began to engage the renewal of my mind, God began to deconstruct my thinking and remove the pillars that controlled the way my mind worked and how I framed the world and reality. He began to show me that there was a state of being that was not affected by the memory of what has happened to me here, and that my true identity is who I am intrinsically from God’s perspective and God’s heart, who he made me to be, and who I am in the spirit connected to him in that realm.
And therefore, when I began to experience that, it was as if my spiritual memory of who I was and what I was doing before I came into this realm got remapped over the memory of who I am here, to bring me back into alignment with that. So that everything that I am here that does not align to who I was created to be there can be renewed, removed and transformed. It is pure.
Psalm 139, “You are fearfully and wonderfully made”, that is a poetic description of being in the eternal now, having been created in the eternal now and having engaged God’s thoughts. Sometimes it feels like perichoresis is a kind of spinning in the presence of Father, Son and Spirit, as if you are within the midst of that relational life. There is also a sense where there is a conversation that Father, Son and Spirit had in creating me that I can join in with, or listen to, as God’s thoughts about me.
“How vast are the thoughts he has about me”, as Psalm 139 says. I engage those thoughts in that place, not intellectually but experientially. It is a knowing at a much deeper level than intellectual information about who I am. I begin to know who I am. And then anything that is not aligned to who I am in this realm is open to change, because I do not want to be shaped by my life here, by conditioning, programming, experiences, trauma or anything else. Who I am in God’s heart and in his thinking determines who I am in this realm and how I live, rather than my experience of life.
That then changes my experience of life and renews my mind to come into agreement with who I really am. People call it their perfected self or their original self, and there are many names for it online. I think these are valid ways of describing it, because it is that pure essence of who I am in relationship to who he is.
What I found is that it is so pure and relational that I do not think about anything other than the purity of that relationship. I do not feel anything other than that. It is as if life here does not exist there. Of course, it does exist, and experiences there affect life here, but there I am not thinking about what I am doing today, what I did yesterday or what I will do tomorrow. There is no thought of doing anything. It is a pure state of being.
God does have a desire for the outworking of his kingdom, the government of peace in this realm, and that reflects his desire for this world. So we have what we call heaven, and heaven is made up of different realms: kingdom of God, kingdom of heaven, heaven, heaven of heavens, perfection and eternity. This is not the eternal now itself, but the closest connection to it, the highest place of ascension we can experience in the physical realm in relationship to that non-physical realm, or that spiritual place of pure God.
I found that God took me through a process after I began to experience him purely. He led me through a process of transformation that changed everything from my soul perspective, where I had learned to relate to the world I live in here, which is shaped by experience, fear, concern, worry, anxiety and everything attached to what happens in the soul. What we have learned about this realm comes from the outside in. Our understanding of reality is shaped by information and experience.
So when you begin to experience the purity of God, you cannot remain the same. Life has shaped us here, and then God reshapes us, restoring us back to the original blueprint of our design, as described in the Mirror Bible, so that we can live that way here and be transformed, healed and made whole from everything that has negatively affected us.
There has to be a way of experiencing that. So God took me into a dark cloud of encounter with him. I went through a difficult process in which I came to the point of surrendering my soul, my right to be me in this realm, so that he could bring me into alignment with who I really am and bring those into agreement.
Then I saw God face to face. It says that God hides within a dark cloud. There is a perspective that in this created universe we cannot face God face to face because of the purity of his light. Anything from this realm cannot stand there. Anything that is not true cannot remain in the perfection of truth. It cannot remain a lie in that level of truth.
There is a sense where God wanted me to experience him in this realm, related to who he is in that pure essence, but in a more governmental way. Still pure relationship, but also the outworking of his heart in this realm, whereas in the eternal now there can be no problems: everything is now and within God.
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It is the source that we need to drink from. And drinking, eating, they are all figurative, metaphors. Jesus said in John 6 that whoever eats the bread that comes down from heaven will not die. We are not physically eating his literal body, and we are not literally eating actual bread. So what are we doing?
We are not literally drinking water either, because it is not water as such. It is life. It is energy. It is the source. We have to choose which source we drink from. You could say we are drinking either from the tree of life or from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In a sense, we are either drawing from our own limited capacity or from an external source that can continually fill that capacity without ever running out.
That is how I see it.
I believe individuals are born with a certain amount of energy and life, and their body is the container of that life. How that energy is used determines how long it lasts. Eventually, if it runs out, people die. But that was not how God intended it to be. He did not create humanity to run out of life. Our own independent source will eventually run dry unless we find another source.
Now, people are looking for sources in technology. They are talking about extending life through nanotechnology, supplements and things that positively affect the cells of the body. I am not against any of that. But it is not the same as immortal life. That is extending human life. The human body was created to self-repair, self-heal and live forever. But I am talking about a source of life that Jesus promised, a source that comes out of eternity.
Choosing the Right Source
As we focus our intention on that source and choose to drink from it, that source energises us. It energises our mortal bodies and gives life to them. Romans 8 talks about this, that the Spirit gives life to our mortal bodies.
Our bodies are mortal unless they receive immortal life. Originally, they were not created mortal. They became mortal because humanity chose to walk away from life itself. Jesus came to abolish death and bring life and immortality into the light. The question is this: if he abolished death, why are people still dying? Because they are not embracing the life and immortality he brought into the light.
Jesus promised that if we drink from this source, it would become a fountain springing up into eternal life. That means both quality and quantity of life. The body does not have to die, but the life we live is also meant to be abundant.
Jesus promised abundant life in John 10. The enemy comes to rob, kill and destroy. That gives us a clear picture of what happens when we follow the wrong path. You could see that enemy as a personal being, but you could also see the path itself as an enemy. If we continue down that path, it eventually robs us of the abundance Jesus intended. Abundant life is not merely life without end. It is the quality of life we were created to live.
Living from Abundance
The source of that life is a life that sons were intended to live, a life carrying abilities beyond the merely natural. Eternal life was meant to be immortal life, but also abundant life, full of everything abundance carries within it. I believe abundant life is very different from what most people are currently experiencing.
If we choose daily to drink from that source and from no other source, then that source will energise our whole being. It will enable us not only to live without dying, but also to live the abundant kind of life Jesus promised. It becomes a matter of choice.
So how do we do that? Jesus said, “Come and drink.” Whoever drinks this water… Well, what do you do to drink that water? You picture it. You receive it. You choose it. Anyone who says they encountered Jesus and received life from him made a choice to receive that life. It was available, but they still had to choose it. So this is about choosing to focus our intention on a source of life that will never run out.
Relationship Rather Than Fear
But that choice has to become a state of being, not just something we mechanically repeat every day out of fear. Otherwise we start thinking, “I have to keep doing this or I will die.” That becomes fear-based. It becomes works again. This has to remain relational.
When Jesus talked about drinking living water, he was talking about relationship. You can drink natural water or you can come to him as the source of life itself. That is why he spoke about eating his flesh, drinking his blood and eating the bread that came down from heaven. He was speaking about himself.
The seven “I am” statements reveal not only who Jesus is, but who he becomes to us in relationship.
“I am the way, the truth and the life.”
That statement only becomes reality to me when I engage with him relationally as the way, the truth and the life. The same is true of resurrection life. I have to engage it relationally for him to become my source of resurrection and life.
Rivers of Living Water
Jesus also said, “Whoever is thirsty, come to me and drink, and rivers of living water will flow from their innermost being.”
So again, the source is him. What do we do? We come to him. We drink. Whatever that means in practice, we are responsible for engaging it. He is the source that never runs out. When we drink from his presence within us, rivers of living water begin to flow from our innermost being. It is not like repeatedly taking another cup of water. He himself becomes the continual source of our life. As we remain in relationship with him and do not turn to another source, the river within us increases in flow. You choose to drink, and the flow begins.
If we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, then there is an increase in the flow of spirit, life and energy within us. Whether you call it living water, spirit or energy, it is his life within us. John 7 says that Jesus spoke of the Spirit who was with them but not yet in them because he had not yet been glorified. He had not yet returned to heaven to establish the kingdom and give it to the saints of the Most High.
Then in John 14, Jesus said he was going to prepare a place for us so that where he is, we may be also. People often think he was talking about heaven after death, but he was talking about relationship. A few verses later he explains it clearly: “I am in the Father and the Father is in me.”
So he was saying, “I am going to the cross, I will return, and I will bring you into the relationship I have with the Father.” Later in John 14 he says, “On that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.” That day was resurrection day. When Jesus breathed on his disciples and said, “Receive the Spirit,” he became resurrection life for all mankind. Humanity was made alive in Christ.
God breathed into Adam at the beginning, and now Christ breathes life into the new humanity. All died in Adam, and all are made alive in Christ. That relationship has now been established.
The Flow of Living Water
If we are the temple of the Holy Spirit and God dwells in us, then Ezekiel 37 talks about the flow of water flowing in the temple and from the temple increasing. It can be ankle deep. So we can drink, but the flow only be ankle deep. Or we can drink and the flow becomes knee deep, waist deep, until it is completely flowing with the fullness of energy, life and spirit to bring life wherever it goes.
Because if we are only a receptacle of living water, it will stagnate. It has got to flow to release the energy. If we just drink it and keep it to ourselves, then we either consume it or it stagnates. But it is meant to flow. That is why it says rivers of living water will flow from our innermost being. Not just remain in our innermost being, but flow from it.
The river flows through the gateways of our spirit and soul. If those gateways are not open and flowing, then there is a limit to how much can flow. So you are only going to get ankle deep if the gateways are partially closed. Only a certain amount of energy is allowed through. We need to remain open to the flow.
When it speaks of our innermost being, I believe that is not our spirit alone, but the union of spirit, soul and body as we were created to be.
Within that union there is, you could say, an eternal mechanism or technology, if you want to use that term, which turns spirit energy, living water, flowing water, into energy that will never cease. That energy energises our body and releases the powers of eternal life within us.
Ecclesiastes says God has placed eternity in our hearts. I believe that is what it is talking about: the eternal perspective of abundance, life and energy. We have the capacity within us to receive living water and to produce energy from that living water which energises our whole being.
That includes what I would describe as the seven energy gates within us. Just as we have a blood system, a lymphatic system and a nervous system, we also have an energy system designed to be energised by the flow that comes from heaven.
That flow is energised within us and then distributed through our whole being as living energy, light or spirit, however you want to describe it.
Flow, Energy and Creation
Those energy gates are inside us so that we can be energised by what comes as a flowing river.
If you think of hydroelectric power, you have a flowing river that is usually dammed up so there is a huge capacity of water. Then the water flows through gates, through turbines, and produces electricity. It is similar within us. Something is flowing that needs to be focused so it generates increasing amounts of energy through the gateways of our being, which then flows outward.
So there is a lot involved in drinking from the source. It is relational. It is not a formula. It is a relational connection to life that gives us abundance, overflowing life, the abundant life Jesus promised. But we still have a choice regarding where we drink from and what relationship we engage with. Most people are not consciously connecting to the life and energy within them that flows from heaven.
Where does the river of life flow from? From the throne of God, through the tree of life, into us. And that source does not come independently of the tree of life, which you could say is Jesus himself. He is the relational point through which we drink from that source.
The Increasing Flow
The river that flowed through Eden split into four rivers which watered the earth. There is symbolism in that. Rivers produce energy. That can translate into the seven rivers flowing through the seven energy gates, which can also connect symbolically with the seven Spirits of God and the many patterns of seven throughout Scripture.
That flowing energy carries the capacities of sonship and the aspects of God’s character and nature. It energises us in many different ways. So there is a lot to consider in all of this. But I do not think it is complicated. It requires choice and intention until it becomes a state of being.
I have done many things intentionally until they became part of who I am. So I began every day by picturing a door within my spirit and opening that door, because Jesus wants me to choose to open the door and allow him to fill me and let the flow begin.
Then I drink from the source, which is him. He is my source, but I have to allow that source to flow. Otherwise it remains only a trickle, and most people live from a trickle. But that is not enough to sustain eternal life or immortal life. The flow must increase until it brings life wherever it goes. Then we ourselves become a source of life.
Living Beyond Survival
Those rivers are meant to flow through us into creation itself. Creation needs energy to overcome entropy. The laws of thermodynamics say that energy within a system eventually runs down.
Creation itself is drawing energy from what some would call the quantum field, but only in limited ways. Humanity was intended to operate differently, not merely surviving, but drawing creatively from that field and aligning it through intention and choice. Our personal energy, however, is meant to come from relationship with the living source.
So there is interaction between the flow of life that comes from God and the creative field within creation itself. We were designed to connect with those dimensions from the eternal core of our being.
The quality of eternal life and immortality is not merely endless existence. It is the ability to live multidimensionally, non-linearly, unrestricted by time and space, functioning again in the kind of sonship Adam originally carried. Many people think about immortality only as a wish or a hope. They do not really consider its implications.
Jesus said, “Drink.” He also said, “Come to me and find rest.” He did not say, “I will force this on you.” Relationship requires engagement. He is already present. He is already within us. We simply have to connect with him and open ourselves to the flow.
The Purpose of Abundant Life
If we are not going to die, then the real question becomes: how are we going to live? Not dying is not really the issue. Living is the issue. What source are we living from? How are we sustained? What does abundant life actually look like? Abundant life includes health, provision and purpose. Many people retire and then quickly die because they no longer have purpose.
But sonship is our purpose. Co-heirship with creation, co-creation, the ongoing expansion of God’s kingdom and peace — there is much to do when we begin to understand who we really are as sons of God.
And if immortality is real, then we also have to think about the emotional implications. If others around us continue dying because they have not embraced life, there would be sorrow in that. Children, grandchildren, generations. That is why relationship with Jesus remains central. He carries our griefs and sorrows. He remains the relational connection that enables us to live abundantly even in difficult situations.
Immortality is not an isolated idea. It flows from health, abundance and relationship. If someone is sick, miserable, purposeless or mentally incapacitated, why would they want to live forever in that condition? There is much more to this than simply “not dying.”
God wants to bring us into abundance so fully that we actually desire to live forever, functioning as sons within creation, bringing freedom to creation itself. That will require immense energy. Creation groans under corruption and decay. God has given us responsibility within that process. Everything has been provided. We simply have to remain connected to the right source and allow that life to flow outward through us into creation.
So there is a lot to think about. But ultimately, “keep drinking” simply means remaining relationally connected to the right source and allowing that life to continue flowing within us.
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Coming to a place of rest is what God really wants us to do. And then from a place of rest, everything else can come out of that place of rest. And when you are in a place of rest, things begin to happen around you, things begin to outwork around you because you are not trying to work it. You are not trying to make it happen. You are trusting in God’s provision and blessing and protection and guidance in that situation.
And in a group dynamic, God wants the group to come to a place of rest in relationship with him and with each other. Then if there is a mandate for a group for a particular purpose, again, that is much easier to hear when everyone is resting and not striving, and not seeking their own agenda.
So there was another group that has met for probably about four years, and they have been meeting to ascend together and engage together, but with no agenda. And they did not have an identity other than the time that they met, which was noon. So they called it the noon group. But then they all felt that God was drawing them to think about, what is our identity? Who are we? We know who we are individually as children, but is there an identity for the group? And there was.
As they came and asked, you know, “Can we do an ascension to find out?” I was like, “Yeah, you can, but you do not need me to do it,” you know, because essentially they were ascending every time they met. So they did not need me to facilitate that for them. So I did give them some ways of thinking about what you do if you are seeking God for clarity about what the group’s purpose is or what the identity of the group is, because the identity comes first, which gives a blueprint and a mandate.
Identity Before Function
So if you are, let us say, as a group, a fellowship group, or in this sense, are they an ekklesia? What is an ekklesia? Ekklesia carries some sort of governmental aspect to it as well as the relational. But what for? You know, they are the questions that you begin to ask.
Then you can go to God and ask him for revelation and clarity to give us, well, what are we? Are we an ekklesia? And sometimes as soon as you say, “We are an ekklesia,” people think, “Oh, church. Oh, I am not sure I want to be that.” Because they are thinking of the old model, you know. So they are thinking, “Oh, we have got to do this every Sunday, and we have got to do this, and then we have got to have notices,” and all the, you know, you end up sort of like, “Oh, there is this model. I am not sure I want that.”
So we have got to be careful we do not frame words with our ideas of what they mean, but allow God to unveil what he means about the identity of a group and its blueprint and mandate. And I think once you come to rest, it is much easier to be able to hear God speak about that sort of subject.
Trusting the Journey
The adventure of it is when we begin to trust in the journey rather than dictating where we are going. Too many people look at the destination and they actually miss the fact that the journey is the important part.
Ultimately, in a group dynamic, we are all individuals and we all have our own blueprints and mandates for our own lives. But when we come together, there is something special when that begins to connect relationally.
From my past experience, people want the function before they have got the form, and they do not want to spend time building the relationship that enables the function to be released. We are sort of conditioned a little bit that way. “Well, what are we going to do?” You know, “What is our purpose?”
But it sounds like, and I think God is drawing other groups into, “Well no, the relationship is what is the foundation, and the purpose will come out of the relationship.” Discovering it is an adventure in that you are probably going to go further than what you would even imagine or have thought at the beginning.
And if you had put an identity on it at the beginning, you would have had a lesser identity than what it is now when you are in a place to be able to seek God for where you are now, because you have all grown and you have all matured. So you are all in a different place than where you would have been before, you know, which is part of trusting God and walking with him; one step at a time, and not racing ahead or looking ahead.
So many people are walking with God and rather than looking at God, they are looking ahead, and they are missing the fact that the relationship and the intimacy is right there with them, you know! Right there with them, rather than always looking ahead and missing what they have got.
Let us enjoy what we have, and out of what we have more will come, which is awesome. It really is powerful when you are on a journey and this becomes this sort of adventure and you know, what is coming next, and you know, it is great. It is certainly not boring.
Sons of Issachar 